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You’ve Voted in the Wrong Penguin

There is some very interesting political discussion coming out of Russia. This discussion gives an insight in what Russians think about US global policy and reflects exasperation at its apparent irrationality:

‘The Americans even appear to be intent on telling the penguins in the arctic how to live, how to vote and whether or not to discriminate against seals.’

‘They come and say “You’ve voted in the wrong Penguin, and so we have come to the Antarctic to restore order”’

‘Moreover there are insufficient homosexuals amongst you penguins. The rights of the homosexual penguins are being violated.’

TRANSCRIPT BELOW:

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VS: Thank you colleages. As always “Vesti” makes essential viewing. This is particularly true now, when we live in a period when politics has become such a critical factor in our everyday lives.

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It has now become impossible to ignore geopolitics and the fate which is being prepared for our country. Sergei, what can we expect?

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SM: We expect a difficult struggle, because Barak Obama, in the course of his speech in New York, speaking as the president of the world or even world overlord effectively declared war on us [Russia].

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The Ukraine is currently the battlefield in a hybrid war conducted by the United States against Russia.

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This war has a clear theoretical basis. It comprises of the following parts: Guerrilla, Military, Information and Diplomatic elements and finally Sanctions.

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Just witness the utter lack of restraint shown by the endless war crimes. They must understand that we can never put up with a Russophobic regime in Ukraine which kills our countrymen.

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Obama’s advisors clearly have not explained to Obama Russia’s historical mission – To put a halt to those who attempt to establish hegemony over the world. We have put an end to Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte and Charles the 12th of Sweden.

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VS: The heraldry of Charles the 12th does remind us of that of the Ukraine

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SM: They all attacked through Ukraine. One would not want to see large amounts of victims, however Washington clearly doesn’t consider this.

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Quite apart from the latest speech by Barak Obama in New York, his previous speech in, I think, Estonia was also astonishing

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He said there that people are abandoning Russia and nobody wants to go there. This is ridiculous. We all know that millions of people are coming to Russia.

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VS: In terms of the numbers of migrants we rank 2nd globally.

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SM: Moreover, this friction between the native population and incoming migrants causes us enormous political issues

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It does look like Barak Obama doesn’t understand the fundamental issues facing Russia but still presumes to judge our country.

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There are many respects in which his speech was inaccurate. He comes across as a puppet whose strings are being pulled by his advisors. He should assert his will over them but I am not sure that he has the strength.

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AI: Well it seems to me that we should thank Mr Obama because he has, although not displaying the artistry of Pushkin, been able to, albeit cynically and in a confused manner, unmask the true ideology which drives the ruling class of the United States

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Recently, we have been taught that this ideology is not even the struggle for democracy rather the struggle for human rights across the whole world. Why do the Americans no longer struggle for democracy.

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This is because, in a struggle for democracy, it appears a bit strange to remove democratically elected heads of state.

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And of course we can find, in any country, some group of people who will claim that there human rights have been violated.

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This allows the United States to operate unhindered around the globe. However in fact there is no struggle for democracy whatsoever embedded in the ideology of the American ruling class.

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The, in fact, struggle only for their rights and those of their only strategic ally, the UK, with whom they maintain their economic, political and military monopoly.

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This monopoly is mainly guaranteed by finance capital which has been amassed over a long period.

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The main export of the United States has been money and money derived from money

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In this way they have enjoyed a fantastic advantage, when they had the possibility to exchange paper and virtual electronic money for real natural resources.

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VS: Is that really true.
AI: I think so, yes.
VS: And do you have a mobile phone? Wasn’t that developed in the United States?

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AI: It was, albeit made by expertise which had been bought and imported from different countries.
VS: Not only the financial systems, as you have so rightly said, are created there but also the intellectual products which are used the world over are designed there.

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Let’s not underestimate our enemy. All the different types of weaponry are also developed there.

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AI: Nonetheless, in 2008, this system fell into crisis. Now conflict is necessary in order to stabilise the system,

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They have unleashed conflicts in the Middle East, supporting all revolutionaries, even those with seemingly anti-western slogans.

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And in exactly the same way they are trying to open a new from in Ukraine against Russia.

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SM: We should not underestimate the enemy. They are clearly not stupid.

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I am unable to say what Obama’s personal views are but his speech, more than anything else seemed to be written with the aim of diverting world attention from the fact that the United States is the greatest threat to world stability.

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The United States is experimenting geopolitically using people like guinea pigs, and they treat us all in the same way, threatening not only world stability but the existence of every human being on the planet.

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The Americans even appear to be intent on telling the penguins in the arctic how to live, how to vote and whether or not to discriminate against seals.

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They come and say “You’ve voted in the wrong Penguin, and so we have come to the Antarctic to restore order”

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VS: Moreover there are insufficient homosexuals amongst you penguins. The rights of the homosexual penguins are being violated.

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AI: It is because of this that Obama treats us all like 2nd rate human beings. Just look at that list of threats that he enumerated at the UN. Pure rubbish.

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The Ebola Virus. Common flu kills more people globally.

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He further states that Russia has invaded and carried out aggressive acts against the whole of Europe.

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Even according to NATO there are allegedly 1000 Russian Service men in the Ukraine. 1000 Soldiers – is that an invasion of Europe? It’s plainly ridiculous.

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VS: Besides, it’s less than the amount of American servicemen currently stationed in Ukraine.

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And just look at this ‘Islamic State’ that the Americans themselves have nurtured. They take the whole world for idiots. It is plainly absurd.

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Ukraine, on their urging, have created an absurd view of the world where everything is upside down and back-to-front.

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But they are not as simple as we would like, I would think. I am not speaking about Obama personally.

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We say: “Well the West is cutting off its nose to spite its face.” It’s not like that.

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Obama could say to himself “Well we didn’t quite get what we wanted in Ukraine. Yeah, we fell out with Russia, but as a result we have re-oriented Europe in our direction and this will give us the opportunity and the stimulus to develop our economy.

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We have been successful. Someone died. Maybe a few thousand. Who cares?

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VS: They didn’t care about a million dead in Iraq.

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SM: We are deluded. We think we are somehow special. Does it really seem that they don’t care about Iraqis but that they do about Ukrainians, It’s just not like that.

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NS: I think that it’s time that we moved our discussion on in a different direction. We have discussed what Obama has said, but we need to discuss what Russia can do as events develop.

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In order to understand what needs to be done, we need to understand what is happening. I am very much in agreement with the majority of what my colleague has said.

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In fact the actions of the United States may seem absurd to us as the think not one but maybe 3 or four moves ahead.

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They have quarrelled with all of their allies, with Russia. They have strained relationships with Europe, which is already groaning from its subordination to the US. They have fallen out with the Arab Street and with everyone else. Why?

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They want to foment revolution and chaos everywhere. How does it help them?

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Their economic system has run out of steam. It is mathematically impossible for them to settle their debts.

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Therefore it is necessary for them to destroy every other economic system so that their miserable system when set against the others resembles manna from heaven.

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They must destroy any alternative system. In that sense their actions are thought out.

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Let’s take a concrete example. Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. The actions of the US are completely absurd. They broke the unfortunate Gaddafi.

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He tried to prove to them that he would do whatever he was told. They demanded that he quit all political posts. Gaddafi stated that he held no political post and therefore couldn’t resign.

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This statement led to his murder.

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VS: This reminds me of the command “Russians – Withdraw your armed forces from Ukraine”.
We tell them that we have not deployed them there. They say that this is irrelevant. Withdraw your forces. We say again they are not deployed.

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Eventually some unknown, drunken, retired Colonel writes: Well it looks like the Russian troops have withdrawn.

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And our guys said, “Maybe the next statement from NATO will be written by the cleaner. Prove that our troops were there.” However no-one in NATO cares.

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NS: They lay down impossible demands. It’s simply impossible to win this game if it is played by their rules.

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Thus, once we understand that their target is economic advantage, then we must move onto the offensive targeting in the economics arena.

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I completely agree.

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ET: I am in complete agreement with my colleagues that the international legal system is in ruins.

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The American president, declaring himself world president, says that there is no need for America to seek permission from anyone for acting to its advantage.

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I think that in this situation we have to do only what is profitable and is in our interests.

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We have to protect our interests in Russia and around the world, without having to ask for permission from Mr Obama and the Washington.

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We have our own interests, brotherly nations, economic interests and human rights that we must protect.

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Starting from about 1989, we have been completely re-oriented to the West. We looked at them as at our future paradise.

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We expected that once we have done all that they demand, we’d dance for them and they would finally hug and kiss us and we would merge in ecstasy.

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But this is not happening. We perform duly what is asked, but they are demanding the impossible.

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Withdraw troops – which are not even there; do something, and then maybe, someday, they will gradually lift the sanctions.

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We have to understand that they have declared an economic, political, and information war on us. They will not start a real war, because they’re scared of us.

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They realise, that we can do irreparable damage that will affect everyone. We must go on, relying solely on our own resources and on our new world partners.

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We must now urgently establish a friendly alliance with China, Brazil, Argentina, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

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There’re plenty of countries that are willing to trade with us, I can’t understand why we stopped trading with them in the first place.

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We can supply them not only oil and gas, but also engineering products. We can also buy from them.

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We need to promote the development of our science and industry, which we’ve completely destroyed in the 90‘s.

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VN: Of course, what Obama has said, that is unprecedented.

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The President of the United States at the UN has devoted approximately one sixth of his speech (and exhausted the time limit twice) to Russia – as the chief destroyer of the system of international law that was established after WWII.

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It really is unprecedented and can be regarded as an official declaration of war, because Russia has been announced enemy # 1.

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But at the same time, do not think that this is happening for the first time, and that in the past it used to be different. There were times when the situation was even more intense.

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Obama never did hide his political views. When he went to the polls, he wrote a book “The Audacity of Hope”

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In this book, he named his heroes in the field of foreign policy: Harry Truman, Dean Acheson, George Marshall and George Kennan. These are the people who’ve forged the “cold war”.

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They’re the ones who wrote out plans in regards to the nuclear bombing of Soviet Union, at the time when we did not even have a nuclear bomb. They had a few of these plans in store, and they came very close to their realisation.

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The only reason they were not implemented, is because they were afraid that the Soviet troops located in Germany would reach La Manche quicker, than we’d feel the impact of the first American nuclear bombs.

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The possibility of this really existed. The cold war went on for several decades.

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These ideas, which are now inspiring Obama, spurred the entire arms race, the bipolar confrontation, and aimed at the complete destruction of Soviet Union.

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Of cause, they’ve destroyed the USSR not without our help . Some people would get into a euphoric state when it came to the US.

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United States expanded NATO, pulled troops and military bases to our borders, created a missile defense system in Europe. They consistently regarded us as a military target.

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In US military planning there are only 4 countries on the list that they intent to use nuclear weapons on: China, Iran, which I think, will soon be gone from the list, North Korea and Russia.

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A very short list. Ukraine, where there already is a cold war – is already a battlefield. The situation for us is much more complicated now than in a time when our troops were stationed in Germany.

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Now there is a war in Ukraine, so the threat is much more serious.

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VS: After a commercial break we will resume this fundamentally important discussion.

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VS: You were right in saying that we must decide what Russia‘s response shall be. Today’s war is a war that hasn’t ceased even for a minute.

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Today there was an incident when one of the jackals from Sher Khan pack, Yatsenyuk, was screaming and accusing Russia of everything.

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At the same time, terribly pleased with himself Poroshenko gave a press conference, in which he directly said that now is a good time to finally equate heroes-fighters: Bandera and Shukhevich, to war combatants.

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There is an impudent review and glorification of Nazis, rejection of the Nuremberg protocol.

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We should have no illusions. In a world, which renounced fascism, now there is a rebirth of a Nazi ideology.

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We must fight this. What can Russia do?

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NS: Firstly, I would like to emphasize once again that the sanctions and the West’s aggression against us do not depend on our actions.

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No matter what we do, in any case, there will be sanctions, attempts at absurd demands and pressure.

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This is a war to exterminate, in view of the future, so that Russia does not become yet another power centre. What shall we do in this situation?

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Will they revive the Nazis, give them cover and ignore their crimes? Of course they will.

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Let’s remember, where did the Nazis escape to after WWII? To America and Canada. Actually Bandera worked for many years in Germany.

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A question arises: what do we do? Again, I would like to return to the topic of the economy.

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Of course, we must attract the world’s attention to the atrocities of Bandera’s worshippers. The bodies of the victims must be exhumed.

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We must do the maximum that we can, so that the criminals receive their punishment.

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But the economy is top priority. If we want the US to reckon with us, we must hit them where it hurts the most: their wallet.

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This means that we must build an economic system that they’ll want to destroy in advance, which will be more attractive than their system, which is about to collapse.

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Today, the US dollar relies on the faith of its investors. Basically, it’s hanging in the air. It is a religion, not economics.

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Russia has a vast amount of natural resources. Our currency and an economic system can and must be supported by our natural resources.

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The most important thing we must do – is get away from the forced upon us forms of emission which is tied to US dollar.

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Only a sovereign emission of Russia will help us build this economic system.

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VS: I want to say that my heart is breaking. In our carelessness, corruption, low productivity, abandoned children,

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huge number of men working in security agencies – doing God knows what, thieving dumb officials – when you enter any institution,

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Huge number of obscure people looking at you like a bug-eyed toad, waiting for you kiss them, to turn them into beautiful princesses – is all this really America‘s fault?

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You’re right, the emission and resources are very important to be able to lift the economy. But where is productivity?

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Where are science schools? Where are the people who care to improve their professional level?

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What people are discussing in our workplaces is that that the boss is an idiot, and the neighbour is getting a promotion, either because he’ss sleeping with someone or is someone’s relative.

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People have long ago stopped to care to raise their own level and blame America for everything.

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NS: Vladimir, we have good people, but in order to improve our productivity, create new projects, to build a new industry, we need cheap loans, money, we need emission.

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SM: We must build our own aircrafts. Our own planes must fly in our skies, not Boeings and Airbuses.

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We must revive the machine-tool manufacture, engineering industry. The Government has got all the means to do so. It’s able to subsidize these economic sectors.

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It does not make sense to pour gold into a leaky barrel. There should be the pattern.

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Engineers are not empty barrel. They are ready to work.

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The mess happens everywhere, even in the U.S. and Europe. We know how people work there, what’s taking place there.

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I’d compare the mechanism of the government to not barrel, but huge clock. It is a complicated mechanism having many different details. State is a complex issue.

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Right now we need the operating well-adjusted state, {figuratively clock} that gives a good result and shows accurate time. It is necessary to disassemble the mechanism and examine its details therefor.

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Russia’s been sanctioned and it turns out there are details which can break any moment. If they break, nobody will replace them. Let’s produce our own detail.

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This detail might be the worse. Nevertheless it is ours and it will work… Or we buy it in Asia. Although it is Chinese, not German, we’ll feel confident.

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Science-related details as well… Before our very eyes, now, the defense industry gets better.

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Look what our army did in Crimea: it carried out a fantastically successful politico-military operation without shooting.

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Three humanitarian conveys, consisting of quite a number of loaded KAMAZ-trucks intended to transport not only humanitarian aid.

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The logistics, organization, character of this move illustrates the saying of my teacher in the armored-force training department: “You’re lucky, Vladimir, you’ll see the world”.

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Import replacement, “brains”, science, intellectuals’ returning, self-disciplined law enforcement units, well-trained compact military forces, union system are very important.

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When one faces a serious enemy, and the U.S. is the serious enemy, who maintains its own, broad network of unions, the strategy requires profoundness.

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In this sense we are secured by the CIS countries, the Customs Union countries, the BRICS members, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization members as well as by all people who are tired of American hegemony and irresponsibility.

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Then we should show the mankind a new, attractive economic pattern… meanwhile the total of American aid for Ukraine is equal to the Hulk’s contract value (player of the Zenit football team).

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I wish we didn’t buy Hulks (with all due respect to football), and our state-run corporations didn’t spend money on nobody knows what, but did make sure that the gas supply is available in every Russian village.

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This, by the way, is also a weak spot of our west-forward orientation in 90s.

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We alone created that information worldview matrix in which people don’t want to work, because they day-dream about blue water pools with half-naked chicks under the palms…

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in order to do nothing. They have no place, opportunities for work, because back in time we ruined our businesses.

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We said we did not need them, because we could not produce anything that was up to compete in the international market.

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Thus the economy that allows to buy something easily in the West and then to swiftly resell it, receive margin and put it in the bank in the very America or Europe…

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In 90s all engineers became suitcase traders: they were travelling to Turkey and importing wrap-arounds.

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This is a result of rejecting the national project and strategy claims, since we decided to go for this consumption-oriented pattern.

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A couple of words about Ukraine and the best minds… A lot of defense plants are being inevitably closed in Ukraine.

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They are almost on the brink of total destruction. We need those people. We don’t have enough human resources.

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In this very studio Mr Rogozin Dmitry has acknowledged that the best Ukrainian specialists have been arriving here for several years already.

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And that’s okay.

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Sure, Obama gave a speech, everyone in Kiev listened it with delight. However, this speech is not a great gift for Ukraine.

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Now we are well-aware that as for Ukraine we have nothing to be ashamed about.

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This dancing around Ukraine à la “we do thus and Americans take pity on us” has turned to be futile.

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All masks removed! There is nothing in Ukraine we should feel shame about after Mr Obama’s speech.

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He let us see that no matter we did, they would do whatever they deem right.

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That is why we should take everything that can be taken. We’ll probably make use of these enterprises.

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Another issue… We all were worried that our economy was on the petrol needle.

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At the moment the petrol needle is being forcibly withdrawn form the vein of sick Russian economy.

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Therefore, it is necessary to adapt and revitalize the {state} body so that petrol and gas finally become of a service in the country.

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I’d like to support my colleagues. In my view, it’s very important, we should declare ourselves and our national project the counterforce centre.

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There is ground for that. The world still remembers that the only power standing against the U.S. for decades was the USSR.

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Only existence of 2 poles in the world secured balance in the politics, not letting a nuclear war get started.

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For the time being China daren’t take the role of the second power centre. China is still a live-for-yourself creature.

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Staying firmly its ground and not trying to establish its hegemony, Russia yet should get together all the powers which do not want this Anglo-American hegemony, which have no will to give all their resources up to a single country.

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This is our activities within the CIS, expansion of the Russian world (plainly speaking), and in Western Europe.

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I want to remind you that in due time, while struggling against NATO-imposed threats, the USSR relied on strong peace movement in the western countries.

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Not many liked missiles deployment. Many thousands of people went forth to demonstrations. The U.S. fights for human rights everywhere.

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Let’s figure out what is going on with human rights in the U.S. May be, we have to furnish the human right defenders in the States with means?

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The means should be available first.

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I’d like to develop my colleague’s opinion. Each government sets external and internal policies.

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The early 2000 successes of Russia were induced by the successes attained in external affairs. We managed to keep the profit from petroleum-related ops for ourselves and improve life standards.

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We are unable to gain further successes in external affairs, because the current economic pattern got used up.

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It brakes the country’s moving forward. That is why we need to change our economic order.

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Let me argue that: sovereign emission of money is an economy creation method.

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After all, it is necessary to reconsider and understand that the Gaidar’s ideas led Russia into deadlock. We must get at this: what new ideas we can give.

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Unlike China, we do not reason with perspectives. I’ve got that feeling that we live from one cold season to another. It is humiliating for such a great country.

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I suppose, the program is clear enough at the moment. For 25 years we’ve dreamt about getting hold of new technology and investments that will foment our economy.

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Now it is clear that they’ll be shut off and wont’ come. Firstly, we must invest in the state on our own.

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Secondly, the technology is set up by science. It is necessary to provide the scientists with appropriate labs and salaries, so that they could work.

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Popular support enhances these sources of growth in aircraft industry, tank-construction.

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See what a high rating Putin has; it clearly indicates the people’s support.

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It is necessary for us that the society is fully engaged in decision-making. We need to have the moral, specifically labour moral, resurrected.

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Not prostitutes popping out on TV, but real eager beavers, engineers, doctors, teachers should be reckoned role models.

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These people should exist first.

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They actually exist, but for some reason those shown up on TV are prostitutes.

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If I feature brilliant constructors, aged ones, they’ll tell how they were not allowed rehabilitation.

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Give those heroes the opportunity to get mature, rise, achieve something.

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ET: Volodya, we all really need to say a big thank you to comrade Obama for forcing us to mobilize. Suddenly the Russian people got the drive and motivation.

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However, this alone will not get us too far. We don’t have natural anti-Americanism. We must not live to just annoy America, but to transform our lives.

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To do this, we must develop our own successful economic model. This economy should not and cannot be autarchy.

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We shouldn’t settle with building something inferior, but entirely ours. We need to focus on the best world examples.

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This can only be achieved in cooperation with developing countries such as Brazil, India, South Africa, and China. We need to set up new consortia to tackle large technological projects, develop new drugs, and build new aircraft and ships.

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We must do it in cooperation with others. Russia needs to put forward an attractive idea for the world which should not be an idea of the American dream.

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We have adopted their system and lined ourselves up to ‘get their Coca-Cola deliveries’.

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We need a different, non-consumer, idea; the idea of justice, human rights – real, genuine rights. The world will support such an idea.

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Vlad: We always “flirt” with the people. Obviously, we are part of a great nation; we speak of ourselves with awe and love.

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But it is not us, but our grandfathers and great grandfathers that achieved victory in the great patriotic war, launched the first satellite and put the first man into space.

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Our generation has only observed a horrible destruction of the Soviet Union into 15 (now even more) countries.

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Our generation is indebted to our grandfathers, great grandfathers, to our fathers, and our children. We owe it to them to pass on a great country and not a disintegrating state.

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This is why our generation is faced with a colossal responsibility.

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Poroshenko has already announced that he is not the president of all Ukrainians. He proclaims as heroes “banderites” and those that fought under the flags of Bandera and Shukhevych.

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This means he has emancipated himself from the overwhelming majority of Ukrainian families, the fathers of and grandfathers of whom fought against the Nazi plague.

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What must we do? What immediate steps must we take that such patriotism doesn’t go into night and that we still have a country tomorrow?

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SM: I’m going to say one thing that may seem somewhat strange, but in which I truly believe. What can we all do, first of all? Refuse to drink vodka!

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We have millions of drunks stumbling around. Vodka is the main enemy of the Russian people that killed more than all of our invaders combined.

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We have to stand for a strong, healthy, smart, nation of peoples … a multi-ethnic peoples. Here we have to follow the lead of our Muslims, who – you know – barely drink anymore.

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We have to think about the return of workers morals and health. We need to do sports and read books. Everyone knows perfectly well, what is good and what is bad.

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One more thing: we all know, in our surroundings, who is a thief and who isn’t. Do not shake their hand. Simply, you personally, just don’t shake their hand.

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Vlad: I have a 100% method of fighting corruption: always; if every boss in his work will make use of two eternal laws; first, do as I do; and bit your own such that others fear… There will be no corruption in the country anymore.

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AI: I think that today is that exact moment when the political and economic elites must seriously limit themselves.

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It’s imperative to forgo outrageous bonuses; so called ‘gold parachutes’, of outrageous compensation packages which are received by managers of state-owned corporations.

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We need to return our children to study in Russia, and show by example to our fellow citizens that they understand – we live in a different world. We live in a world where Russia has been challenged.

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This means that we must – in practice – unite. This unity and self control today will increase possibilities for everyone,

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including the rank and file citizens and likewise those that hold extraordinary positions in economics or politics – they also will win from the fact that today, they will show and example of this self-control.

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Vlad: As soon as a minister will head to the regional (public) clinic, the quality of the regional clinics will become of such high standard that ministers will have no need to go receive treatment abroad.

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VN: I’m against chastising our people. I believe that the Russian people are a great nation, that has a great history and – I am absolutely convinced – a great future.

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As this great history demonstrated, we have accomplished a lot when we set ambitious goals for ourselves.

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Today, more so than ever before, Russia must set for itself very far-reaching goals, the goals of a massive national push into the future which will certainly lead Russia into the front row of the great countries of earth.

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Our people have done a great amount of work in recent years.

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When we entered the 21st century, we were the 14th economy on the planet; and today we are the 5th economy on the planet. Thanks to the people who worked, produced and built.

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If in the 90s the country was disintegrating, then today we – by construction of new flats – hold the second place in Europe, following only France.

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In recent years our people have built a port industry. We lost our ports, and now we have ports. The ship building industry has had a rebirth.

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While the Americans were the first to build a nuclear bomb, we were the first to build a nuclear power plant.

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We came back to the market of nuclear energy and RosAtom is now a large player.

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The Soviet Union for all its accomplishments had to import grain. Russia became the second largest exporter of grain in the world.

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We must set high goals for development and prepare our professionals to solve these problems.

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We need an ambitious fiscal policy which rather than expropriate money which we receive for oil and gas (and place them in American securities), but instead would invest in the Russian economy.

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We need a policy which would provide affordable credit and allow our enterprise to breathe.

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Our people, who are in reality very creative, very independent, very capable, and all they need is to be set free to solve great challenges.

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SM: I am more inclined to indulge in self-criticism. Of course, our people are great, the history is great, but this history is not exactly ours:

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VS: It is our history!

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It is not our accomplishment, this history is of course ours but it was not done by our own hands.

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SM: Every generation of Russians has done a great deal with these hands.

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Some have done more and some have done less. To achieve such great goals we need perseverance.

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I would want to recall a phrase by Suvorov, that “patience in battle is victory”. One of the problems of our time is this consumer-matrix of a fast life;

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“take on this debt now to get what you want and in the future you’re don’t care for much”.

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We must break this worldview, this consumer subculture. We must learn to build plans with a long term perspective.

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This concerns businesses, politicians and regular people: to live dreaming of getting it “all and now” is self-destructive.

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We must turn away from these things, of this subculture and the information in the worldview of each person.

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Starikov: I think we have to raise our discussion to the geopolitical level, and then observe the problems we are faced with from this level.

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In a few words, what are the Americans proposing? Our president has said this very well: Americans don’t want allies, they want vassals.

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They need subordination: subordinated people, subordinated countries. What do they offer?

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Their offer is that in this chaos, in this rumbling sea of history which will unfold you will get to keep a little bit of what you have now. The rest, you will lose, but you’ll at least save a little.

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There is no other alternative today. If we build a system, which will offer all of those exact things but only without calamity, we will begin to put a crack in this monolithic western world.

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We will begin to show the Europeans that you do not have to – like in the anecdote about the mice who cried but continued eating the cactus – you can continue developing your cooperation with Russia, add to what you have.

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To the Arab world: you can continue to invest money in the Russian economy. This is what we must build; precisely, and alternative economic model. Then, everything will work out.

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ET: I think we should stop repenting and stop self mutilating. We are a great people and we have a great history. We have no reasons to be shy or humble – we must take pride in ourselves and our country, and set great goals for ourselves.

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We have to return to strategic planning: we have a law; we need a special body that will have far-reaching powers.

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We need personal responsibility of every government workers for work assigned. If you’re a minister, did you have specific assignments? Did not accomplish it, then you’re fired, at best!

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Everyone personally! And lastly, we must move towards the sovereign mission; sell oil not for dollars but for rubles. Let the oil-men scream if they want to!

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It’s easier for the dealers to leave money there this way; this is how the scheme works. This way there will not be any theft: sell for rubles here, and then all gains will remain here.

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And we must open a market in St. Petersburg and Vladivostok: look both east and west – befriend all, but not to ‘yield even an inch of our soil’.

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Vlad: As our classics say: wish your words reach God’s ears. Although in Russia much is being decided before it gets to God’s office. We have the political will; it’s imperative we use it.

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For the country to change once and for all for the better, such that it transitions away from the destructive 90s, catches the winds of the roaring 2000s, and exits towards new, ambitious frontiers,

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while not forgetting to tell the people about this, because without the people, we can build nothing.
Much Thanks to you all.

Taking Sides

I’m posting this Facebook conversation here because I think it outlines my reasons for favouring the Separatists and the Russians pretty well and things get lost on Facebook.

A while (August 26th) ago I wrote on Facebook that:

I would like to call people’s attention to ‘The Sacker’s blog’ at http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/ It is the best resource I’ve seen for getting updates on the Ukraine crisis.
While I have no personal connection to Novorossia (a defiant name for the eastern provinces) the justice of their cause is obvious as is the injustice of the genocidal war against them. In a very real sense the Novorossia militias are fighting for all of us who are against the rise of fascism in Europe and the amoral and anti-rational politics of the US and EU. I urge everyone to keep an eye on this and engage in discussion about it as changing the consensus and the complacency is the only way we can support these people.

Daniel responded:

I’ll admit to being not the most informed on this situation, but it seems like a stretch to say that the Ukrainian government is fascist because some of the protesters/militias involved in the euro maidan stuff were. Seem to me to be just the nature of mass movements, much like how you could encounter anti-Semite NWO freaks at Occupy.

I posted the following videos and links with comments saying:

This short documentary could be said to be partisan but is a good introduction that shows that the problem goes beyond a few freaks

The Telegraph on the other hand is as mainstream as it gets and this article highlights the presence of fascist groups such as Azov fighting with the Ukraine army.

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Even the BBC acknowledges that the neo Nazi groups are a significant problem for, and through Svaboda in, the government.

Looking deeper, Per Anders Rudling provides an interesting historical perspective on the rise of fascism and the divisions in Ukraine. I think he must be right in saying that the majority of Euromaidan protesters were not fascist and were protesting against extensive corruption but the fascists were a large minority and the best organised faction. At the end Rudling associates Putin with Yanukovich in ‘holding Ukraine back’; I think this is naive or disingenuous but he makes no argument for this.

Daniel responded:

I watched the first two videos, will watch the 3rd in a bit. I don’t doubt that fascist militias have power in Ukraine but to frame the conflict and Russia’s involvement in at as anti-fascist seems wrong. Russia has their own self-interested agenda here as much the EU. The Crimean region seems to be in favour of secession and I support their right to self-determination, but I really don’t get your support for Russia and by extension Yanukovych’s government, which was clearly corrupt.

I replied:

I don’t know that Russia can be blamed for Yanukovych’s corrupt government. I understand that Ukraine was in Russia’s sphere of influence but it had a similarly corrupt government before Yanukovych and that was pro-West. Russia has every reason to be wary of the West’s intentions in Ukraine given the expansion of NATO eastwards; theirs is a rational self-interest that seems to be based on ‘partnership’ is not in necessary conflict with the self-interest of others while that of the US/EU is based on maintaining the privileged position of the US and is in necessary conflict as is apparent in the Middle East. People may or may not like Putin’s style or some of his conservative views but he has been remarkably consistent in calling for a multi-polar world order and has been extremely effective in moving towards this through partnerships with China, BRICS and now the Latin American nations. As to framing the conflict as anti-fascist – if you are fighting fascists you are by definition anti-fascist and everything I have learned from the non-mainstream media convinces me that Novarossia or Donbass is the ‘right side’. The people who support them seem to be diverse in background and morally motivated as in the case of the volunteer of Afghan origin in this video:

And this militia member:

Daniel argued:

I’m not suggesting Yanukovych was directly controlled by Russia, but he has their support. He is likely exiled in Russia despite being wanted for war crimes. Also, Russia has always justified their involvement by calling the Ukrainian uprising ‘a coup’. Despite the involvement of the far-right, this is dishonest. It was a legitimate popular uprising. Putin might be effective, but do you agree with the methods behind that efficacy? The protests started because Yanukovych backed down after Putin engaged in economic warfare against Ukraine to keep the country under Russian influence. That doesn’t seem very democratic or justifiable. I don’t see him as any better than the West. As for anti-fascism, I disagree. This is not clear cut ethically like people joining the international brigades to fight Franco in Spain…the fascists are by your own admission not in the majority. This is a civil war with strings being pulled by the West and Russia. It doesn’t make sense to me to pick a side.

I said:

Serious analysts like William Engdahl and Stephen Cohen have shown that the ‘uprising’ was a coup and one engineered by the EU and US, with the US being less willing to compromise and agree on a Ukraine that would work with both the West and Russia. This is evident from the Victoria Nuland’s ‘F… the EU’ recording. It has also been reported that Maidan protesters were paid by the US and EU.

Yanukovych is in exile in Russia but he is not guilty of the crime he is accused of, that is, using snipers to fire on protesters. Engdahl argues (and intercepted phone conversations between EU diplomats support this) that the snipers were working for the US who were intent on scuppering a deal being worked out between EU representatives, Yanukovych and opposition parties.

According to Cohen, Putin made Yanukovych a counter offer and was prepared to work with the EU to rebuild Ukraine. It was the EU who forced Yanukovych to choose sides. I do see Putin as better than the West’s politicians; in demeanour, speech and action he is much more a conciliator and an incredibly competent manager which is entirely contrary to the aggressive, ‘thuggish’ picture painted of him in the MSM. Russia under Putin appears to be a very different entity to the Russia of the Soviet period or under Yelsin. Putin is by no means perfect and I don’t see him as the messiah but just as a really good headteacher can turn around a failing school he has been changing Russia and its role in the world for the better.

Also worth watching this interview with Stephen Cohen who gives a very coherent account of the crisis describing how it was orchestrated by the US and EU.

Daniel noted:

A quick look at wikipedia shows William Engdahl is a climate change denier and a guy who believes that oil is a ‘geological phenomenon’ that isn’t at risk of being depleted. I’m not sure that he is any more of a serious analyst than Alex Jones or David Icke. I see no reason to take his unsubstantiated claims that the Orange Revolution was instigated by the US as fact. These people seem incapable of understanding that while the masses are controlled, we are also capable of free thought and action and that real grassroots movements can exist. It reminds me of an article on infowars (one source of the claim the maidan protesters were paid) about London student protests in 2011 being infiltrated by anarchists who were actually agent provocateurs sent by the state. I had a good laugh at that since me and people I know personally organised that action. I’ve seen no evidence to support the claim of protesters being paid beyond a syndicated article on infowars and other conspiracy sites that quotes ‘a number of confirmations from readers’. I’ll finish watching these videos but these sources (Engdahl at least) are not particularly credible in my eyes.

I replied:

I’m sure that genuine grassroots movements were involved in the protests. But what good did their protests do? Why would they want to be associated with the fascist violence that accompanied the protests? Yanukovych and his government were bad but is the new government any better? I’ve found no substantial evidence of Maidan protesters being paid but there is no doubt that the US has been buying influence – sorry ‘supporting civil society’ – in Ukraine for two decades. Watch this short video of Victoria Nuland speaking at this ‘US – Ukraine Foundation’ conference. Did the US spend the admitted $5 billion over those two decades because they wanted to improve things for the Ukrainian people? Call me ‘symbol minded’ if you will but I was amused by the prominence of the US flag and the Chevron logo while the Ukraine flag hung limply in the corner.

Still, I ought to consider the view from the other side .. Not looked at much of this but I will: https://www.facebook.com/euromaidanpr

Daniel concluded:

I’m certain that US aid comes with conditions that are tailored towards achieving the US’s geopolitical ambitions in the region. That is a different thing entirely from saying that they funded subversion, whatever that means in practice. This is a breakdown of US aid to Ukraine, most of which would be verifiable elsewhere (IMF etc.) – http://www.whitehouse.gov/…/fact-sheet-us-assistance… – America’s successful purchase of influence is no different ethically from Russia’s failed one.

Novarossiya

He may be talking about the situation in Ukraine but his words transcend that and speak to a global struggle.

MH17

Martin John titles his video argument “MH17 – We know with 99% certainty who shot down MH17”

A few days ago I wrote:

Much of the forensic evidence has come in, it backs up witness statements and it looks like the initial suspect was being framed. If this was a homicide investigation and the Kiev regime were a person they would probably be arrested on suspicion of murder by now and be asking for a lawyer. The police would be looking at the US as an accessory and maybe even the boss that ordered the ‘hit’.

We, the ‘social media community’, have to be the cops and the court. We can make a good case that the Ukrainian regime were the perpetrators.

I still believe that we can make the case that the Ukrainian regime are the most probable perpetrators but it’s not yet conclusive.

Martin John’s video is a very useful summary however I believe that his reliance on timestamps apparently indicating that the intercepted conversations video was made prior to the shooting down of MH17 is unwarrented. A GitHub article contends that YouTube re-encodes the creation date of videos to 24 hours prior to uploading. As a non-technical person I was already wary of citing the timestamp argument which I did not know enough to verify, while I can’t assess the validity of the counter argument about YouTube re-encoding either, it should caution us against placing any reliance on this piece of evidence.

The Russian ATC records indicating the presence of another plane with MH17 and statements from witnesses on the ground that another plane was seen attacking MH17, together with the suggestion of OSCE monitor Michael Bociurkiw that damage to the MH17 cockpit was suggestive of ‘strong machine gun fire’, all point to an air-to-air rather than the surface-to-air attack of which the Separatists are accused. This is strong evidence pointing to the Ukrainian regime particularly as there has been, as far as I know, no effort to refute it.

The ‘Carlos posts’ from a Twitter account under the name #Spainbuca, purportedly from a Spanish citizen working in Ukraine as an air traffic controller, are quite persuasive but there is no evidence to support the existence of such a person. Like the recording of alleged conversations between the rebels the Carlos posts requires further investigation. The provenance of both these pieces of evidence remains mysterious but the fact that they were both posted on the same day as disaster suggests that they might throw light on what happened.

Here are some links to news sources and information resources that might be useful in considering this case:

List of MH17 airframe parts
Map of a Tragedy – WSJ
Smoking Gun that Russian Separatists shot Down MH17 – Forbes
Locklin on Science Blog
MH17Analysis Parts 1 and 2.pdf
Debunked: MH17 Video Timestamped before the crash, and other timeline issues

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